the great battle between the mormons and the gays has begun
to quote the seminal Toes song "here come the monkeys", "which...will win? will it be the rhombus or the roughhousing gang?" or in this case, the triangle or the weird underwear gang?
as a newly minted california voter my presidential vote would matter little-- i had resigned myself to casting meaningless lemming votes rather than meaningless protest votes. then came prop 8, which gave me a reason to wait in line for 18 hours last week (other than to parade around in my "i voted" sticker giving the finger to seventeen year olds and ex-convicts). except it passed anyway.
african americans, who turned out in massive numbers for King Barry, also voted ~70% for prop 8, which amends-or-revises the constitution to prevent gay marriage. the yes-on-8 gang were certainly on target -- just ask the african american lady-robot who left a robocall on meatcoat's telephone saying that she'd marched with MLK, and that MLK hates fags. or something like that. they had all the dough they needed to get the message out too -- thanks to the mormons' church-sponsored campaign to prevent sodomy for the glorification of god, who speaks to them from rocks inside a magic hat.
so now, all shit has broken loose, with the gays mounting a full-scale assault on the LDS church, massive protests in salt lake city and all across california.
my question to you is this: who will win in the apocalyptic battle to end all battles? will it be the mormons? will senators harry reid and orrin hatch declare a bipartisan war on fabulous? will wilford brimley send forth his armies of bloodthirsty mormon seniors? will jon heder, aaron eckhart and katherine heigl unite to form a holy hollywood Mormon Voltron, decimating the entire castro? or will elton john wave his mighty gloved hand and dispense with the entire beehive state forthwith?
these are latter days indeed.
posted by the cold cowboy @ 4:15 PM
8 Comments:
guess what? people are always going to fuck butts, so the mormons need to get over it.
triangle force wins in the long-term.
nate silver debunks the theory that african americans are to blame here, says that it's really a young vs. old issue.
which makes sense, and supports your (and my) theory: that gay power cannot be stopped.
soon we'll both be married to dudes.
the government should only give out civil unions to everyone. Thats the legal term, marriage is a religous event, so the church should decide if it wants to marry gays. All the government should do is hand out civil unions to any couples that want to be "married".
I see this as more of a problem with church and state than mormons (assholes) and the trinagle force.
The young generation has helped do a lot this last election.The next step should be to put a crow bar between the church and government and pop that bitch off.
Listen gays, just sit back for a generations or so, after everyones Nana and Pop-Pop has died off and you'll get your precious civil rights.
It's frustrating to me to hear supporters of Prop 8 talk about how this is just how democracy works. The implication being that democracy is basically mob rules where the bigoted masses vote in their own best interests (or what they perceive to be their own best interests, as in this case where letting gay people get married is bad for heterosexuals in exactly zero discernible ways)and the majorities get to continue to repress the minorities for no other reason than that they're the majority. And ignorant.
Sometimes it's necessary for democracy to work in some different way, as has historically been the case with civil rights issues. I suspect the only reason we're still as gay as we are up here in Lesbichusetts is that a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage has never made it to the ballot for a popular vote. Gay rights advocates have worked hard to make sure that doesn't happen. Courts interpret the law, and where the civil rights of a minority are concerned, you can't just let the majority weigh in, strip them of basic liberties, and pretend like that's justice. It's bullshit mob rules and the holier-than-thou "That's how democracy works" angle makes the United States and democracies in general, look pretty fucking weak.
exactly - and maybe ayatollah or one of our other lawyerly readers could weigh in on this one, but i always thought that's one of the main reasons we have a supreme court - to protect minority rights. which means the "strict constructionist" notion that judges shouldn't "legislate from the bench" is kind of un-strict; judges are there to protect minority rights granted in the constitution even if the majority says they shouldn't have them despite what it says.
i can't wait for this whole anti-gay christian marriage bullshit movement to be defeated and its proponents to be exposed as bigots. i think it will happen soon, and i'm glad i'll be there to see it in my lifetime.
dude, the 90s were boring (if prosperous). no wonder we're all jaded slackers. but it's pretty awesome to be living here now.
interesting question, cowboy. to me the constitution protects different groups at different times. In some ways, it seems designed to protect the American public against it's government. At other times, it works to ensure the rights of the majority. But i also agree that it's meant to protect the minority in other instances.
the problem with the dichotomy of a "strict constructionist" versus the "activist" judiciary is that it overlooks that judges must recognize, interpret, and meld those different rights. And the good ones do that, regardless of political party. Now, don't get me wrong, I think "legislating" from the bench is an issue and can pose a threat to our form of government. I just don't buy that gay rights potentially does this, however.
As a lawyer, I'm supposed to look for precedent and I believe that it is similar to the struggle for black civil rights. At least the legal issues, perhaps not the social, cultural, and political environment. And the successes achieved for blacks would never have occurred, if judges (particularly scotus) didn't have the courage to stand up to blantant racism, which under today's standards would have to be classified as "liberal activism."
and we all know that "liberal activism" is directly equal with devil worshiping, terrorist supporting, and butt f*cking
I've been gone for awhile (yes, I know, I'm lame), but you know I just had to weigh in.
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